Are Bandcamp Wav Downloads the Original Wavs Uploaded

Bandcamp and Dither

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I couldn't find a post directly speaking to this topic, so here I become.

Bandcamp offering to load 24bit and 16bit WAV files and then allows the customer to choose which file format they want to download (FLAC, 320MP3 WAV etc). My concern is if I upload a 24bit WAV file and the customer chooses to download a 16bit WAV, will the bit conversion on the site be an effect? Or, would it exist preferable that I dither it down to 16bit and just upload a 16bit WAV?

I gauge my question summed upwardly is: is a 16bit dithered better than a 24bit upload that volition be converted by bandcamp?

Can you upload 2 file sets?

One being dithered to 24 bits and the other existence dithered to 16 $.25? That would exist the most ideal solution.

If not take you tried emailing Bandcamp about this? Those guys seem to exist pretty on pinnacle of things. I would not exist surprised if they do indeed dither when truncating from 24 $.25 to 16 $.25. Sure this eliminates your power to choose the dither algorithm but I wouldn't stress about it much as long as they practice indeed dither during 24 chip to 16 scrap conversion.

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Bandcamp FAQs

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Oft Asked Questions | Bandcamp

"We don't do whatever audio processing to your uploaded files except whatsoever's necessary to fit into the download format. For example, for MP3 downloads the sound is resampled to 44.1kHz. FLAC downloads on the other hand are bit-for-chip identical to the audio you upload, all the way to 24/192."

So the ideal is to upload from total-res (any that is in your situation) for FLAC downloads.

Then inquire Apple to at least offer the choice of ALAC downloads from the iTunes store, fabricated from the 24 fleck sources they've been requesting and getting.

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Originally Posted past aleatoric ➡️

Can you upload two file sets?

I call up it'due south not possible with BC. They ask for one gear up and offers multiple downloads similar MP3, WAV, FLAC...

tin can you lot download .wav files from BandCamp?
i practise not see that option on my page...
SoundCloud, yes...

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Originally Posted by Adam Dempsey ➡️

Frequently Asked Questions | Bandcamp

"We don't do any audio processing to your uploaded files except any's necessary to fit into the download format. For case, for MP3 downloads the audio is resampled to 44.1kHz. FLAC downloads on the other hand are bit-for-bit identical to the audio you lot upload, all the way to 24/192."

So the ideal is to upload from full-res (whatsoever that is in your state of affairs) for FLAC downloads.

Then ask Apple to at least offer the choice of ALAC downloads from the iTunes shop, made from the 24 scrap sources they've been requesting and getting.

I had read this and that was my business organisation. If I load a 24bit file so it'southward great if a person chooses to download is as a FLAC or AAC file. But, isn't this argument by Bandcamp implicitly saying that if a person chooses a 16bit format they are converting the file for you?

So, in this case, wouldn't it be better to upload a 16bit dithered file? This is where my confusion lies. I guess the only fashion to actually find out would be to publish the page privately, download it myself and check the divergence in quality of each.

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Originally Posted by Reflektem ➡️

I had read this and that was my business concern. If I load a 24bit file and so it's neat if a person chooses to download is as a FLAC or AAC file. Just, isn't this statement past Bandcamp implicitly saying that if a person chooses a 16bit format they are converting the file for yous? .

No - It won't ever convert rate or depth on the lossless files, flac / alac will be the same depth and rate as the file you feed it. It volition only convert rate for the lossy formats should that be required.

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Originally Posted by stinkyfingers ➡️

tin can you lot download .wav files from BandCamp?
i practice not meet that option on my page...
SoundCloud, yeah...

Aye, Wav, Flac, Mp3

Bandcamp is bright!

how do you lot get the option for .wav download...?
i upload .wav file only at that place is no option to download .wav...
it's driving me nuts...can't observe it... :(
on the website it says "Downloads are available in MP3 320, FLAC, MP3 VBR (V0), AAC, Ogg Vorbis or ALAC format."
thanks

You tin't. There's no wav download.

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Originally Posted by csl ➡️

You can't. In that location's no wav download.

No sorry you are right.

There is Flac though. Which is great!

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Originally Posted past Adam Dempsey ➡️

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And then the platonic is to upload from total-res (any that is in your situation) for FLAC downloads. [...]

I know it's an onetime thread merely the topic is still valid.
It'southward very nice that Bandcamp supports high res sound formats but there's actually a large problem with only offering 24 bit FLAC (or wav and aif for that thing) if that was uploaded by the creative person.

I only came accross this trouble when trying to play such files on my Sonos system. The won't play, and I think there are other systems with the aforementioned limitations. But xvi scrap (and 44 or 48 kHz) will play.

There are some converter software out there that will produce 16 flake FLAC from 24 flake (like Bigasoft Sound Converter) simply it doesn't do this properly with dithering. Which renders the whole point of loftier res audio useless for many serious listeners. There are of course some pro apps that will practice the conversion (sometimes by converting via wav or aif) but they usually discard all tags.

I end upwards having to either make combersome conversions, perchance with less ideal results than good 16 bit files or having to download a lossy version of the music. Instead of conveniently downloading high quality which of course was the artists intention in the showtime place.

In my opinion there should always be a "cd-quality" verision of the music available for providers of great audio content. It'southward the industry standard since the eighties, information technology sounds great and information technology's VERY compatible.

Bandcamp had a great idea here just they ought to recollect i more than time about providing proper conversions to cd-quality of high res sound.

If you're really concerned with howdy res sound, you lot'll merely buy a actor that supports 24 bit. My Fiio X5 has played everything I have thrown at it so far! Bandcamp is swell, the lossless downloads are any is uploaded by the artist. If your arrangement won't play them, bitch at the organisation maker, not Bandcamp.

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Originally Posted by Deleted 691ca21 ➡️

If you're really concerned with hello res sound, y'all'll but buy a player that supports 24 bit. My Fiio X5 has played everything I have thrown at information technology and so far! Bandcamp is great, the lossless downloads are whatever is uploaded by the artist. If your system won't play them, bitch at the system maker, not Bandcamp.

Possibly I was a bit unclear, my post was not primaliry well-nigh my own music arrangement.

My indicate is that the consumer of the music will risk getting inferior quality than intended by the artist and Bandcamp. There are a lot of users with Sonos, making auto cd:s and similar. Only offer linear audio in 24 flake is counter productive if the goal is that equally many users every bit possible should get cracking audio. The issue beingness instead they download something lossy since the 24 bit flac:s won't play or convert.

Ah OK, pitiful, I get yous. Mayhap drop BandCamp back up an electronic mail?

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Originally Posted by Deleted 691ca21 ➡️

Ah OK, lamentable, I get y'all. Maybe driblet BandCamp support an electronic mail?

No trouble, and yes I did. They'll "pass it on to the developers" equally they said.

Actually, here'due south a very good reason why 24-bit might non be 24-bit in the end anyway on a great bargain of units:

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The approved formats in Core Audio are every bit follows:
iOS input and output Linear PCM with 16-bit integer samples

Source: Apple - Cadre Audio Overview
Google search

I don't know if the same is true for Android.
So, once more. If the goal is best possible audio, better do the conversion to 16-bit properly and let the user download it.

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